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		<title>By: Merrill Ann Gonzales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merrill Ann Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOOOPS!   That link is http://www.withwords.org.uk    
It&#039;s hot here and the keys are sticky and I seem to go faster than my eyes check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOOOPS!   That link is <a href="http://www.withwords.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.withwords.org.uk</a><br />
It&#8217;s hot here and the keys are sticky and I seem to go faster than my eyes check.</p>
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		<title>By: Merrill Ann Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://www.thehaikufoundation.org/2009/08/17/montage-24/comment-page-2/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Merrill Ann Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, David,   I just was on the site http:ttwww.withwords.org.uk
and reviewing their winning haiku.   Each of them employed your concepts.   It&#039;s basically how I started out, but as I&#039;ve received much advice from many poets I explore each idea to see which really will enable me to put into words what is going on in my life and the life of the world around me.  
                    So I appreciate your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, David,   I just was on the site http:ttwww.withwords.org.uk<br />
and reviewing their winning haiku.   Each of them employed your concepts.   It&#8217;s basically how I started out, but as I&#8217;ve received much advice from many poets I explore each idea to see which really will enable me to put into words what is going on in my life and the life of the world around me.<br />
                    So I appreciate your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: David Coomler</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Coomler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merrill,

Hokku -- which is much older than haiku (haiku only began in the late 19th century) -- has very definite principles and standards.  We do not use the term juxtaposition, so the closer one gets to hokku, the less one needs to think about that.

Instead, we speak of unity and harmony in a verse, which means it is not a random assemblage of things, but rather the joining of elements that are harmonious and unified when combined.  That is what makes for successful hokku.  One learns hokku partly by becoming familiar with the common types, among them the &quot;standard hokku&quot; form of setting, subject, and action that I mentioned in my previous comment.

But modern haiku has no universally-accepted standards, so you will be told sometimes one thing, sometimes another, depending on whom you ask.  

And because this site is about haiku, I try to be careful to only comment when it touches in some way on hokku, as these particular verses happen to do.  I neither teach nor practice haiku, so I cannot advise about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merrill,</p>
<p>Hokku &#8212; which is much older than haiku (haiku only began in the late 19th century) &#8212; has very definite principles and standards.  We do not use the term juxtaposition, so the closer one gets to hokku, the less one needs to think about that.</p>
<p>Instead, we speak of unity and harmony in a verse, which means it is not a random assemblage of things, but rather the joining of elements that are harmonious and unified when combined.  That is what makes for successful hokku.  One learns hokku partly by becoming familiar with the common types, among them the &#8220;standard hokku&#8221; form of setting, subject, and action that I mentioned in my previous comment.</p>
<p>But modern haiku has no universally-accepted standards, so you will be told sometimes one thing, sometimes another, depending on whom you ask.  </p>
<p>And because this site is about haiku, I try to be careful to only comment when it touches in some way on hokku, as these particular verses happen to do.  I neither teach nor practice haiku, so I cannot advise about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Merrill Ann Gonzales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merrill Ann Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I appreciate your approach to haiku.  Most of the time if I write one like that though it&#039;s been pointed out to me that there is no juxtaposition.   I know your form is good too since some of my best haiku have been in that form.   And to me it is more subtle and requires more careful reading.  
     In any event, reading your comment has encouraged me not to give up the form but to attempt to use words that hold more &quot;depth&quot; to them.  
     But most of the time I find I write a haiku to try to put something into words...to find the words...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I appreciate your approach to haiku.  Most of the time if I write one like that though it&#8217;s been pointed out to me that there is no juxtaposition.   I know your form is good too since some of my best haiku have been in that form.   And to me it is more subtle and requires more careful reading.<br />
     In any event, reading your comment has encouraged me not to give up the form but to attempt to use words that hold more &#8220;depth&#8221; to them.<br />
     But most of the time I find I write a haiku to try to put something into words&#8230;to find the words&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Coomler</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Coomler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I should have had &quot;K.&quot; Ramesh as author of the &quot;Vedic&quot; verse and not &quot;Kamala.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I should have had &#8220;K.&#8221; Ramesh as author of the &#8220;Vedic&#8221; verse and not &#8220;Kamala.&#8221;</p>
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