under consideration by another publication

[Andy]

I recently posted a haiku with a revision:

still morning
two leaves fall
in unison

still morning
two leaves fall
together

I am wondering how different two haiku should be in order to not be considered under consideration by another publication if submitted to two journals?  How different should they be in order to simultaneously submit them to different publications? 

Andy

[Alan Summers]

Dear Andy,

I would be very wary of this practice, although there are exceptions:

"Similar Haiku"

aftershock
the empty swing
swinging

Alan Bridges
2nd Place Vanguard section
World Haiku Review
http://sites.google.com/site/worldhaikureview2/whr-august-2011/haiku-3-vangaurd-august-2011

aftershock
empty swings
swaying

Michael Dylan Welch
http://sites.google.com/site/graceguts/sequences/the-last-leaf

Also check out:
http://sites.google.com/site/graceguts/essays/introduction-to-deja-ku

all my best,

Alan

I recently posted a haiku with a revision:

still morning
two leaves fall
in unison

still morning
two leaves fall
together

I am wondering how different two haiku should be in order to not be considered under consideration by another publication if submitted to two journals?  How different should they be in order to simultaneously submit them to different publications? 

Andy

[John McManus]

Hi Andy, IMO this would be a bad move.

The two poems are the same despite the different L3, they create the same emotion and use the same images and the fact that they are both written by the same poet rules out deja ku which does occur from time to time.

My advice is don't get caught up in chasing credits. Just concentrate on writing good poems and you if you do that the credits are bound to follow.

warmest,
John   

[Andy]

Alan, John thanks for the good advice.  Alan, thank you for the links, the deja-ku article is good.  John, I think your reply is a good rule to go by.  Just to let you know, I wasn't seriously considering doing this although the thought did briefly cross my mind.  That just made me wonder how different they should be.  Again, thank you both, I appreciate your guidance.

Andy

[Don Baird]

Great advice, John!   

[PAllen]

Along the lines of multiple submissions. . .

Once a publication is made available to the public and a submission is not among the esteemed verse, it can then be assumed the rejected piece can be submitted elsewhere?

Phil

[Alan Summers]

Hi Phil,

Not sure what you mean, but what I can say is that once you've sent a submission in, you shouldn't send it elsewhere as most if not all publishers dislike that practice.

But if you get a rejection, always look to see if you can improve it and then immediately send it onto another publication.  That means the rejection is not so hard to take.

I've often in the past, sent a piece of work several times, and it's been eventually accepted, and in at least one case it received a place in a competition.

all my best,

Alan

Along the lines of multiple submissions. . .

Once a publication is made available to the public and a submission is not among the esteemed verse, it can then be assumed the rejected piece can be submitted elsewhere?

Phil

[PAllen]

Hi Alan, you answered my question. 

Rejection I have come to realize is never hearing back, or not finding the submitted verse in the anticipated published journal.

I appreciate your reply!

Phil

[Alan Summers]

Hi Phil,

You should always hear back.  I'm surprised that a haiku magazine should do that.  It could be a mistake, I certainly hope so.

I've had two haiku accepted that didn't appear in a couple of magazines, way back, but I know it was a plain mistake and didn't follow it up.

One wasn't a great haiku so partly relieved. ;-) 

I think if you don't hear back from a haiku or haikai magazine within 3-4 weeks, then it should be okay to check if they received your haiku okay.

all my best,

Alan

Hi Alan, you answered my question. 

Rejection I have come to realize is never hearing back, or not finding the submitted verse in the anticipated published journal.

I appreciate your reply!

Phil

[PAllen]

HI again Alan, thanks for shedding some light on this subject.  My initial thinking was the submitted verse was so atrocious the judges felt it did not deserve a rejection reply (just kidding). 

Seriously, my feeling is with the plethora of international submissions I have read of late that it is easy for one to get lost among the many.  Not a big deal, I add the verse to my collection-diary (something for the grandkids to read one day).

Best regards,

Phil

[John McManus]

Hi Phil, you are correct when you say that due to alot of submissions things can go missing. But honestly you don't agree to be an editor unless you are comitted to dealing with each submission you receive. It can be hard work and time consuming but that comes with the territory.

I sent in a submission quite a while ago to an editor. 9 weeks went past without any reply and so I sent another email enquiring about it and for good measure resubmitted the whole batch of haiku in case my original email had been lost. Three days later I received an email with an apology and an acceptance of two of the haiku I had sent. My advice is to chase things up and sometimes you'll be pleasantly suprised at what happens!

warmest,
John